Survival Of The Fittest

Also worth pointing out that this is the only game where one could get away with a brazen fakeclaim.

I can dissect my read on Kermit further if you guys want. (Not like I haven't said most of it already, in thread. -_-) That said, I'm busy right now so it's gonna have to wait. The claim is obviously 90% of my actual read, (not like I can honestly say 'I knew it all along') but it does fit nicely with everything else.

Check my math. It holds up.

VysePresident wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:38 am The thing is, if everyone has a clone, (can confirm I have one too, though I thought it was a leader thing. Apparently not.)

I reread my role PM. It should have been obvious.

In defense of my reading comprehension skills, it was really late and I was focused on the weird parts. Due to how freaking obvious it should have been, I can paraphrase the flavor if anyone needs me to give some indication that I'm not making this up. (Going to run stuff by Friend Computer to make sure any paraphrase is within the spirit of the rules first.)

dmboogie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:25 am

VysePresident wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:48 pm VOTE: Jimmydalad

i get what you're saying but i dont think im gonna switch my vote until irina says something, literally anything. it's an incredibly risky gesture but if i was scum i think i'd at least consider bussing a teammate that was 100% ghosting the game, so scum being on an inactive!scum! lynch this early doesn't seem impossible.

unrelated baseless speculation: could vyse's Team Leader or w/e status being announced be because he's being targeted by another role, in some way or another? like, a lover or a lyncher, but instead of just being given Vyse's name in the role PM, they get told to watch out for the role announcement in the thread, because this is a bastard game and it'd serve to confuse everyone?

Lol, I'd forgotten this this idea had cropped up. Funny how someone in a Bastard game happened to have a guilty result happened immediately as the phase began - even though that guilty actually makes no sense.

Thank you, Boogie.

I'm enjoying Snarky!Vyse mode more than I should. :p

Still, while Kermit's case is false, it is interesting that Cactus lost a life last night. I'll be curious to see how Fenris's test shakes out after the night phase.

Also Fen came out of this looking more Town. Probably my last multi-post. I am procrastinating hard. >_<

@ vyse: my main question re: ur role/flavor/whatever is if theres anything in it that could be parsed into you having one of those bastard roles where you randomly visit people with no effect. also totally possible that kermit has a tracker role that makes things up. again, bastard game. of course like vyse basically said if we pursue that line of logic we will basically never get anywhere bc that end of logic ends in CHAOS CHAOS I CAN DO ANYTHING and then we just vote for people at random until we're all dead

ill wait for kermit to respond before rambling more

also can confirm re: clones. i assume everyone has one.

LIESPRESIDENT wrote:there are three total killers.

actually I do believe there's four!!!!!!!!

MICEPRESIDENT wrote:Or there are Bastard mechanics at play

At this point there should be zero ambiguity that this is a bastard game

EYESRESIDENT wrote:I've touched on this before but Kermit is not a good Townread anyway.

could you touch on it again all I seem to remember is "that kermit guy sure is making jokes" and "that there vote on me looks like kermit pretending to be joking but actually HE'S EVIL AND BAD"

RICEPRESIDENT wrote:Kermit's case has a massive and obvious hole in it

what is it? You can say "WOW FAKE NEWS" but without actually pointing out what the hole is, it just looks like you're misleading people.

President Evil wrote:I'm going to refrain from claiming unless I have to.

Why not???????????? Friend Computer outed you as the Team Leader and you literally just said you have no night action. Seems like everything's already all out in the open unless YOU'RE HIDING SOMETHING.

DIESPRESIDENT wrote:I can dissect my read on Kermit further if you guys want.

please do

PRYSEVESIDENT wrote:Check my math. It holds up.

What math?????????????????????
Vyse you've posted like 19 times since I started writing this post calm ur heck down.

Fast Posting Man wrote:Lol, I'd forgotten this this idea had cropped up. Funny how someone in a Bastard game happened to have a guilty result happened immediately as the phase began - even though that guilty actually makes no sense.

Thank you, Boogie.

ok but what boogie said someone could do and what you said I'm doing are Not The Same Thing

boogie: "what if there's someone who's role PM says for them to be wary of the team leader"
you: "what if kermit is a lying liarface"

Fenris wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:01 am @ vyse: my main question re: ur role/flavor/whatever is if theres anything in it that could be parsed into you having one of those bastard roles where you randomly visit people with no effect. also totally possible that kermit has a tracker role that makes things up. again, bastard game. of course like vyse basically said if we pursue that line of logic we will basically never get anywhere bc that end of logic ends in CHAOS CHAOS I CAN DO ANYTHING and then we just vote for people at random until we're all dead

ill wait for kermit to respond before rambling more

Possible, but incredibly unlikely. My role is not centered around active night use per se. (I'm somewhat uncertain what my role actually is, frankly.) It would have to be something entirely made up with no warning at all.

I'll reread just in case, but it seems like the bastard elements in my role would be centered around the announcement and orange text.

Fenris wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:35 am hey friend computer i'm down to settle this if you are

Tch tch, that's very definitely treason and a no-no. Friend Computer is watching you very closely now.

the eyes of god are upon me

Permit wrote:

MICEPRESIDENT wrote:Or there are Bastard mechanics at play

At this point there should be zero ambiguity that this is a bastard game

I love how you pick up this text out of context and turn it into a strawman. Here's my actual quote.

VirtuePresident wrote:The thing is, if everyone has a clone, (can confirm I have one too, though I thought it was a leader thing. Apparently not.) Boogie was either shot twice last night or Strongman-killed. That means scum almost certainly targeted Boogie. Kermit does not claim I targeted Boogie, ergo I did not kill anyone. (The only way this is false is if Town had a Strongman kill, or there are three total killers. To those theories...all I can say is lol. Not realistic in a game this size.)

More than that, I didn't target Cactus last night at all. I literally had no action to do so that night phase even if I wanted.

This means that Kermit isn't just misplaying, he's lying. (Or there are Bastard mechanics at play, but...how does one reasonably account for that without throwing commonsense entirely by the wayside? I've touched on this before but Kermit is not a good Townread anyway.)

Oh look. Suddenly, I'm not an idiot going 'alphalul no way ur in bastard game!!2!" I'm making the point that, while this could be Bastard mechanics, that's a circular form of logic - and there isn't much reason to trust you anyway. Commonsense dictates you are scum. I see no reason to ignore common sense.

It's almost like I made a case and you just ignored it.

It's almost like...treason. (I freaking love this flavor FYI)

Kermit wrote:

EYESRESIDENT wrote:I've touched on this before but Kermit is not a good Townread anyway.

could you touch on it again all I seem to remember is "that kermit guy sure is making jokes" and "that there vote on me looks like kermit pretending to be joking but actually HE'S EVIL AND BAD"

Again a strawman, but sure. Let me do that in another post after this one.

It's not me saying "Aha my scumread was right all along!" It's not elaborate. It's just me saying "Yeah no, I'm not reading him as misguided Town"

Hermit wrote:

RICEPRESIDENT wrote:Kermit's case has a massive and obvious hole in it

what is it? You can say "WOW FAKE NEWS" but without actually pointing out what the hole is, it just looks like you're misleading people.

May I direct you to my very first post, t hat you have already cherry picked in a deliberate way to make me look bad? And thus you clearly know what that case is?

If you can't even spare that little effort for the sake of Friend Computer, Kermit, I will oblige by requoting.

AceAttornyVysePresident wrote:Ok, this is actually interesting, because Kermit's case is provably and obviously false.

The thing is, if everyone has a clone, (can confirm I have one too, though I thought it was a leader thing. Apparently not.) Boogie was either shot twice last night or Strongman-killed. That means scum almost certainly targeted Boogie. Kermit does not claim I targeted Boogie, ergo I did not kill anyone. (The only way this is false is if Town had a Strongman kill, or there are three total killers. To those theories...all I can say is lol. Not realistic in a game this size.)

More than that, I didn't target Cactus last night at all. I literally had no action to do so that night phase even if I wanted.

This means that Kermit isn't just misplaying, he's lying. (Or there are Bastard mechanics at play, but...how does one reasonably account for that without throwing commonsense entirely by the wayside? I've touched on this before but Kermit is not a good Townread anyway.)

I can full-claim, but given how Kermit's case has a massive and obvious hole in it, I'm going to refrain from claiming unless I have to.

That said, between my already nullish-scum read Kermit's demonstrably false claim:

Funny how you claim I'm shouting FAKE NEWS while....utterly ignoring what's right in front of you can claiming it doesn't exist.

Kermit wrote:

President Evil wrote:I'm going to refrain from claiming unless I have to.

Why not???????????? Friend Computer outed you as the Team Leader and you literally just said you have no night action. Seems like everything's already all out in the open unless YOU'RE HIDING SOMETHING.

I am.

It's kinda meh, but lame point from you regardless. Even if I were vanilla (I'm arguably not) it doesn't serve Town to say it. I could snark about flailing scum trying to latch onto any point and twist it into a scumread, but obviously I am a better person than that. :p

Germit wrote:

PRYSEVESIDENT wrote:Check my math. It holds up.

What math?????????????????????

Fake news, amirite?

Germit wrote:

Fast Posting Man wrote:Lol, I'd forgotten this this idea had cropped up. Funny how someone in a Bastard game happened to have a guilty result happened immediately as the phase began - even though that guilty actually makes no sense.

Thank you, Boogie.

ok but what boogie said someone could do and what you said I'm doing are Not The Same Thing

boogie: "what if there's someone who's role PM says for them to be wary of the team leader"
you: "what if kermit is a lying liarface"

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I love how you twist Boogie's words, AND cut the quote so that people can't even see it. Here's the quote again, below:

Boogie wrote:unrelated baseless speculation: could vyse's Team Leader or w/e status being announced be because he's being targeted by another role, in some way or another? like, a lover or a lyncher, but instead of just being given Vyse's name in the role PM, they get told to watch out for the role announcement in the thread, because this is a bastard game and it'd serve to confuse everyone?

Yeah, darn. That definitely sounds like "Watch out for Vyse!!!2!22!!!"

But even if he really said that, my point stands. Really convenient how you have a guilty result you trust so much in a bastard game, the very first phase it's possible to claim such.

This is way too fun, in large part because I'm supposed to be studying. GJ me.

things gettin real heated in mafialand

my sideline onion is that its possible kermit is a lyncher who was looking for an excuse to get vyse lynched and took it when dodd said he was hit.

or vyse could just be lying about everything

my only strong opinion atm is that dodd is looking pretty town to me right about now

STUDYING IS FOR NERDS