Survival Of The Fittest

@blast one thing I am curious about is why did you pick deamon?

Polybius wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:45 am Re: what info from a MeS lynch

I was pretty suspicious of the people who jumped on the train with little reason after it started gaining steam, bringing him so close to lynch fairly early in the day phase (Boogie, Goose, Prim, Irina, Blizz). I was pretty sure MeS would flip town, and once it became clear no one else had the possibility of getting lynched, I thought that if MeS was proven town we could turn our attention to the people in that group. I thought if we ended with no lynch it would just be more inscutable memeing on day two.

So, here's what I don't like about this post: The plan is to lynch town on purpose to build a case against a whole bunch of fairly interchangeable other people making the same basic mistake with a ready-built excuse. If the people jumping on are scummier, then try to change the direction to target one of them instead! That avoids wasting a phase and a townie. Also, this is a lynch-chaining mentality, in how it's being laid out, which is often a scummier state of mind--it's about reducing the numbers.

Zetsu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:18 am @mw what’s the term, or is there a reason for not naming it? Also, what’s the difference between scum!blast and mafia!blast? (I mean that in the general sense of the difference between a scum and a mafia, though I won’t mind some elucidation on blast specifically)

Oh, it's just "jailer" (though as an aside, I was at the time reading his role as a simple roleblocker and would've expected that term--the specificity/side effects of his claim again ring true to me, though).

No hugely material difference in this case re: mafia vs scum--if Blast is scum (and I doubt he is) he's 100% mafia, though; an SK would be absolutely mad to claim this sort of role unless they have some super special roleblock power in addition to SKing people because it would take a single phase to catch out their lie.

Generally speaking, "scum" can potentially involve solo operators, while "mafia" is a team effort, typically the primary antagonistic faction. That said I'm tired and hungry and being sloppier with my terminology than usual.

Zetsu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:23 am @blast one thing I am curious about is why did you pick deamon?

Gut instinct, basically. Small things, like for instance, people calling suspicion on him in the midst of the MeS bandwagon, which piqued my interest. I figured that if I jailed him and nobody died, that'd be definitive evidence that he was Mafia or the Serial Killer, since the possibility of a Vigilante hadn't been floated yet.

Looking at the two people still on the blast train, I'm most suspicious of Plush and Prim. Plush if I recall was the first person on the MeS train, and pushed for that lynch, and one of the last posts on their end about it was about getting info on boogie (boogie's a null for me at this moment- though are scum with bulletproof usually in sotf games?). Prim's currently on the blast train, but I still think it would be pretty implausible to fake being a jailor, of all things, though if being a jailor around here is usually a scum thing then I suppose there's some reason behind being suspicious of blast. Still makes me squint, though.

With that said

VOTE: Emprexx Plush

My current favoured vote at the moment, just based on who I think is most suspicious.

Zetsu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:34 am

Poly wrote:I was pretty suspicious of the people who jumped on the train with little reason after it started gaining steam, bringing him so close to lynch fairly early in the day phase (Boogie, Goose, Prim, Irina, Blizz).

Pretty funny how you never brought this up on day 1, dontcha think?

Any suspicions I had were super vague and covered such a large range of people that I thought going around accusing people would be useless before getting more information through what people were saying and how they acted on day two.

Now that we're actually on day 2, the ones from that group I find most suspicious are Boogie (for reasons I detailed earlier) and Prim (who's been on this same position in both the MS and Blast train, joining later on without much reason.) I'd be fine going with either of them, and we should probably make the decision soon if we don't want a repeat of the last day.

I'll try not to hold anything back from now on. My attitude was to not voice thoughts unless they were fully formed and clearly that wasn't the right choice.

Okay, we've got to pick a train soon. I'm going to amend the reads post I've been working on into a breakdown of why I think blast is still a solid choice based on utility/info in addition to scumtells, but depending on analysis 8 might actually end up jumping trains.

Blizzard, I'm not 100% sold on why you're choosing EP over Prim, but I get some of your logic. What would EP's flip tell you about the rest of the players?

Blast, same question about Deamon.

Polybius, are you more suspicious of Zetsu or boogie, and why?

I guess my vote is putting me in trouble, huh? I guess my reason for why I voted wasn't enough. Soooo....

UNVOTE: BLASTINUS

I'm not exactly sure about the vote on EP, but I guess that's how Blizzard feels. If I get lynched, then it is what it is.

Poly wrote:Eight people were already voting him, he was well set up to be lynched, and I was trying to get them to cool down.

You don’t “cool down” people who you’re suspicious of. If you’re trying to cool them down, you’re assuming they’re acting in good faith. Inconsistent characterization of your own actions mean my vote stays on you.

So I've finally caught up on all the talking that's come up so far and wow there sure is a lot to discuss!!!! I'm going to touch on two main things for now but if you want to ask me for my thoughts on other things that have happened I can answer and here is where we put the exclamation points away because they do more harm than good and I'm not into them anymore.

Blast's role claim is fairly interesting to me. It dropped pretty abruptly and strangely, yes. His earlier ask for rule clarification is also strange. It was done way more out in the open than I think was necessary? I recall being able to ask questions about roles via PMs in previous games, though I am unsure if that rule is in effect for this one. I think this is an overlooked part of his claim based on what I have read—there's a distinct set-up to the reveal. It's not built up to, it doesn't come about naturally, but Blast makes sure to ask a deliberately pointed question in the direction of his role that basically reveals it before he formally declares himself Jailer. MW's point about terminology is good but also [BEGINNING OF VERY TENTATIVE AND SHOT-IN-THE-DARK SECTION] highlights the idea that Blast, as someone using outside terminology, probably has a good deal of outside experience and likely also knows that MW has a similar vocabulary and thus MW is precisely the kind of player who Blast's set-up post is intended to fool, disguising an otherwise blatant move to make it look like he is genuinely the role that he is in an incongruously awkward manner [end section]. At the same time the role is easily verifiable so if someone can check his role we can know by next day phase whether or not he was lying. If he was lying, it's a free lynch, and if he wasn't, then town keeps a power role. So I think though suspicious we can put Blast off till tomorrow.

I agree with Blizz that Plush is suspicious but I also think the more interesting argument to make is that Plush is actively anti-logic. The "this game is 95% RNG and luck and memes" point is below "premise of the game" as far as discussions-worth-having go, which makes it absolutely rocck fucking bottom in my opinion. Yeah the game can be RNG, but everyone knows that and it's not worth discussing because it isn't a train of thought that goes anywhere. It's conversation padding and it's even stranger conversation padding to state not once but twice. It's maybe forgivable day one but DEFINITELY strange day two. And that's why to me a Plush lynch makes some sense, there, is that regardless of actual scum status this train of thought is apathetic in a destructive way. I haven't seen much in the way of reads from Plush and if the excuse is "i dont have reads because the game is wkjankesnjegkwj" then I want no part of that.

And this is, by the way, a multi-game thing. The active espousing of an apathetic playstyle.

VOTE: EMPREXX PLUSH

I’m 95% sure Paige is just amusing themselves. I’d consider a policy lynch if they were contributing literally nothing of substance, but I’m once you remove the shitposts their contribution is on the same order of magnitude as everyone else. They’re less ‘do random this is random’ and more ‘do your thing but don’t take it too seriously because a lot of this game is random’. If you have a reason to scumread Paige I’ll hear you out, but I’m not interested in a policy lynch right now.

I'm not anti logic. It's a fact that most lynches are random. This lynch included! To waste early game chasing lynches based on big brain plays and certainty, or worse to chase inactives in a game that actively culls them, is either ignorance to how these games usually work or active scum manipulation by saying things that sound good but historically bury us. Yknow, like blowing the Day One Lynch.

MethSlaw loathes me so this ramble isn't news he's probably just Town chasing cars. Blizzard sure is doing a lot of diverting though. Whacky how she derailed the lynch last phase and now most of the way through the phase wants to start an active wagon on someone whose main point of suspicion is that it is better to do something that might have a bad result than nothing which absolutely does.

Still don't buy how quick blast folded, wouldn't be surprised if they're both maf.

The current vote total is as follows:

blastinus- 3 (Riki, KamiKaze, Emprexx Plush)
Emprexx Plush - 2 (BlizzardeyeWonder, MethodicalSlacker)
Riki- 1 (blastinus)
Polybius - 1 (Zetsu)

17 alive means 9 to lynch. Less than 24 hours remain. Have you made your decision?

Additionally, the following people are still counted as inactive for this day phase:

• Jilly
• General Goose
• Mimi